Surprise!  06-13-2012
03:07 AM ET (US)
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In my office we don't apply the formula from scratch each time. I had always assumed that the formula was something an office became. When I read the rules I don't see any way that it can be applied except from scratch in all ways each time an adjustment is made.
we don't even bother to reapply Article 9.2.c.5.d(1) of the formula. If we did I am certain that someone would choose Monday as their permanent day to beat a person with more seniority to it who was not willing to agree to work Monday even after more substitutes are hired.
I don't see Friday/Saturday rotating as a successful choice in most cases. There is still a requirement that it result in enough non-Saturday relief days. 1) If you have an odd number of J routes you could fill the day the J route leaves. 2) If you would have gotten Saturday any way you leave an empty day every other week. If you beat someone out of a Saturday then I think the person who lost the Saturday would have a valid and winnable grievance.
In 9.2,c,5,d(2) Management gets to assign us to relief days. If these days are not chosen by seniority I would think it would leave Management open to accusations of disparity of treatment. We could argue that they are choosing their favourites for the good days.
As for F-1, I have to assume that it really does not apply. However, I wish that our leadership would make some effort to keep the MOU's clear. The MOU should 1) tell us the issue that was taking place. 2) tell us the contractual or legal issue covered. 3. Tell us what the decision was 4) Give us references to the supporting documentation so that we can know what was covered.
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Surprise! 06-10-2012
05:03 PM ET (US)
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Can a person with greater seniority bump a person with less seniority out of as an example a Monday?
The person with less seniority can easily have the Monday because they could have lost their Saturday in an earlier round. Then as the months pass and more substitutes are lost a new round of loosing Saturdays may take place.
f-1
Joey C. Johnson
Director of Labor Relations
National Rural Letter Carriers'
Association
1630 Duke Street
Alexandria, VA 22314-3467
Re: E00R-4E-C080217095
Dawn Bruns
Battle Ground, WA 98604-9998
Dear Mr Johnson:
On several occasions, the most recent being May 27, 2009, the parties met to discuss
the above-captioned grievance at the fourth step of our contractual grievance procedure.
The issue in this grievance concerns reassignment of a non-Saturday relief day to
another non-Saturday relief day in an office where the relief days have been
appropriately changed in accordance with Article 9.2.C.5.d.
The parties agree that once the non-Saturday relief day is assigned to a route through
the procedure outlined in Article 9 2 C.5 d., that relief day remains as the assigned relief
day for the route unless otherwise provided in the National Agreement.
There are a limited number of circumstances that will necessitate the reassignment of a
non-Saturday relief day to a different non-Saturday relief day, such as the need for an
additional assignment for a part-time flexible rural carrier or when a single non-Saturday
relief day is assigned to more routes that a Saturday relief day
Based upon the fact circumstances in the instant case, the non-Saturday relief day on
rural route 15 will be returned to Monday.
Please sign and return the enclosed copy of this letter as your acknowledgement of
agreement to settle this case.
Time limits were extended by mutual consent.
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Rabbitt12 06-10-2012
12:01 PM ET (US)
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9.2.C.5
c. The Employer will not require a single non-Saturday
relief day to be assigned to more routes than
a Saturday relief day. A Friday/Saturday rotating
relief day or any pair of Friday/Saturday rotating
relief days equates to one Friday relief day.
d. The following actions will occur in the order presented
until the required number of K routes with
relief days other than Saturday is reached:
(1) Any regular rural carrier assigned to a K
route with a Saturday relief day may elect to
permanently change the relief day to another
day (including Friday/Saturday rotating), provided
the new relief day will assist in reaching
the required number of routes with relief
days other than Saturday.
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Surprise! 06-10-2012
12:02 AM ET (US)
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Pats2 /m31044
I find your argument very interesting. I have never seen it done the way you suggest before. When I read the Contract I see that your argument can be made. I have also read an MOU that makes the argument even more interesting. Under normal circumstances I would have thought past practice would have come into play.
Has anyone dealt with this before?
Is there a way to get National to make a call as to where they would stand on an issue such as this?
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Lou Paloma 06-09-2012
08:30 PM ET (US)
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The Fri/Sat options intent is to avoid formula implementation,not to be picked after the formula is implemented.If you forsee relief shortage issues you should try to get it then .
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Pats2 06-09-2012
12:11 PM ET (US)
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Sorry, You do not get to tell mgt what days will be available to choose from. Read Art. 9. You only get to choose Mon, Tue, Wed at the beginning of the formula implementation. After that management then assigns the days by seniority. Which means you choose from whats available. For instance if they need 4 routes to go to non Saturday, they can offer Tue, Wed, Thur, and Fri to choose from. If they don't offer Monday or Fri/Sat. you don't get to choose them. If they need 5 routes to switch they will lose a grievance if they offered an additional Tuesday instead of making Monday available. The contract states Fri/Sat is the same as a Fri, so they probably never have to offer Fri/Sat as long as they offer Friday as an option. just my opinion Edited 06-09-2012 12:20 PM
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rcaforever 06-09-2012
10:39 AM ET (US)
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Redwing19mc. /m31033. Depends on how many K routes you have and relief carriers, PTF's, etc.........once it determined how many non-Saturday relief days are needed, you can pick the Fri/Sat option, it counts as a Friday........everybody can't take that option if there still isn't enough relief carriers. senior K carriers would be first to get that option
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Not retiring yet 06-08-2012
11:40 AM ET (US)
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Crawford: click on the link for Crawford: One thing mentioned at bottom of that page: Crawford has advocated reducing delivery days as well as a number of other initiatives for changing the USPS business model. See below for a 2009 paper he authored entitled “Toward a New Business Model for the United States Postal Service”: So, how does he plan to do that, and not eliminate Post offices not "making" a profit?
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Surprise! 06-08-2012
09:15 AM ET (US)
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Some interesting Postal news in the last two days
Higgins Calls for Immediate Removal of Postmaster General
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1K18igtqHo...ure=player_embedded
Does anyone think the Postmaster General should not be removed?
Obama nominates Stephen Crawford to USPS Board
http://postalnews.com/postalnewsblog/?p=2504
Do we know about Stephen Crawford? Is he a good choice or a bad choice?
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nc state 06-08-2012
06:54 AM ET (US)
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31034 they just want to control us. why would you case it grab your parcels dps fss case raw letters and flats and leave.no mistakes. you just have to stop at the mail boxes. pull fowards and holds. dangerous as hell.just do it . it gets easier.
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Shafted 06-07-2012
10:17 PM ET (US)
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Now that my friends, is NOT bullcrap. Sub4ever, you hit the nail totally on the head there! It's the same mentality of why they curtail the flats in our office till we get back in the afternoon. They figure that we are going to rush through them magically faster in the afternoon just to get out earlier. It's retarded mgt. mentality.
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sub4ever 06-07-2012
09:24 PM ET (US)
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The PO is convinced that too much office time leads to chatting, and that we are less likely to make mistakes if things aren't sorted single cell and then just thrown into a box. As for whether or not we come in under eval, it's all about the money. The faster you go, the bigger the bonus they have a chance to earn, from your super all the way up. In our negotiations it's all about the undertime, the more there is, the stronger the PO's position. Lastly, and probably most accurately - they are just assholes.
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rkbcjb 06-07-2012
08:58 PM ET (US)
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Yes, I know parties agreed to it, but why did the PO want it? why did the union agree to not letting us chose?
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stillfirstclass 06-07-2012
08:50 PM ET (US)
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what part of message 31031 is bullcrap?
sure maybe being fired for missing dispatch, but no matter how you feel about our union, unions are going the way of the dino.
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Not retiring yet 06-07-2012
06:08 PM ET (US)
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/m31034 I guess first, because the union agreed to that? just my guess. 2nd, the information I have, said, FSS does not get a choice, like DPS (case or take to the street). They left us no option with FSS It MUST go to the street, no casing. Also, FSS is delivered differently (anyone? kind of like the boxholders, delivered in a tray, and then wrapped in a separate sleeve) and 3 trays in one bundle. Anyone who would like to correct me, I am fine with that, because at the minute I do not have FSS, but, do keep up with what may be coming in the future. JMHO
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rkbcjb 06-07-2012
04:39 PM ET (US)
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Does anyone know why the PO requires us to take FSS to the street? If you stay under eval who cares? What do they gain? We would rather case it. Your choice may vary.
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