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submitted by chinglishese
Just wondering what's been happening on the Admins' side. I see /u/kn0thing posting here sometimes, but we've had very little communication on actual actionables.
I also want to bring your attention to troll/joke subreddits like /r/CaucasianChinese, which just sprung up last week and has been spamming our (/r/asianamerican) subreddit and modmail nonstop. We've been able to just ignore it and catch the rest with Automod, but there are tons of subreddits in this vein and /r/blackfathers that serve only to be purposefully nefarious and hurtful to minority groups. What should be Reddit's approach to subreddits that are on the borderline to hate speech, so to speak?
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[–]IrbyTremor 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
This. We have three subreddits dedicated to trolling /r/Blackladies. They don't keep it in house either. Harassment? Nbd I guess, they know they won't be hindered.
So, I've got to ask the same
[–]llehsadam 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Reddit provides people with a platform that reinforces groupthink in individual subreddits and the system of order in each subreddit is oligarchical, often run by a group of people that don't realize how messed up what they are doing really is. Reddit desensitizes them.
It doesn't help that /r/BlackPeopleTwitter is now regularly hitting the front page. It doesn't help that /r/pcmasterrase is named after a Nazi ideology. It doesn't help that /r/ImGoingToHellForThis is so popular...
Things don't look good for reddit at all.
[–]TheYellowRose -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
I just dealt with the bpt mod team and holy hell, what a bunch of clowns. There's no hope.
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    [–]TheYellowRose[M] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    Tldr you only remove overt racism and leave all the casual shit behind
    [–]tripostrophe 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Would also love to hear from /u/kn0thing or /u/ejkp on where things are at.
    [–]amyandgano -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    troll/joke subreddits like /r/CaucasianChinese
    It's insane how some people waste their time.
    [–]kn0thing 0 points1 point2 points  (24 children)
    I've recently circulated notes *internally from all the meetings had with experts, activists, victims, lawyers, community managers, founders, etc over the last couple of months. The community team has new leadership and we're setting out goals and a timeline for implementing them. One of these will absolutely be throttling this kind of spamming.
    I've personally been heartened to see individual communities like /r/skincareaddiction and now /r/askreddit outlining policy and hope more follow suit.
    Like I've said from the start, this will be a long process, so I hope you'll be patient. We will not be announcing major site-wide policy changes in this particular community though, that will happen on the blog so that we can address everyone.
    [–]BipolarBear0 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I've seen a lot of racism from modding a default, but from what I can tell reddit is really on the rebound from the sort of laissez-faire-with-hate-speech mindset that was, not so long ago, a cornerstone of the site. Cheers on taking action, it's long overdue.
    [–]chinglishese[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Can you give an estimate of how long it will take before Reddit admins begin addressing things like community harassment on the official blog? I just saw you guys came out with a transparency report on legal issues. If a similar one was published about harassment and abuse, even if no policies are enacted, at least the public will know that you're working on investigating this issue.
    [–]llehsadam -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Reddit is such a mixed bag now and leaving discriminatory comments has become so accepted... that I seriously have no idea how the public will react to change. There is always a conservative side to every argument that will make good points and try to keep things the same.
    The admins have dealt with some sensitive issues in the past. I hope they learned something from that bumpy experience. Taking things slowly is a good sign in my opinion.
    Of course there's another issue (and this is more speculatory on my part). Moderators don't have a financial stake so when they go against a subreddit, nothing really happens that can't be fixed. So... although I doubt a majority of people would get angry enough to leave reddit, the admins are kind of messing with their livelihood when making big changes to the reddit formula. I think it's understandable they want to take things slowly with this.
    [–]koronicus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Let's not kid ourselves, there's going to be a backlash if they do anything. Look at the outrage immature, self-centered users respond with to basically innocuous comments. There may be a question of whether that outrage will be "worth it" to the admins; I certainly hope they'd feel that not having their site used as a recruiting grounds for the worst kinds of bigotry would be its own reward, but who knows? Personally, if this site can only stay afloat by pandering to racists' dollars, I think it probably deserves to sink. Realistically, that doesn't seem likely.
    The admins don't have the best track record with sensitive issues. Given the changes in staffing, it's possible that the new team includes people who are better equipped to handle these kinds of things. I hope so? I do hope their "taking things slowly" includes seeking out experts whose qualifications go a bit further than PhD in Internet Scholarship from 4chan University.
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      [–]IrbyTremor[M] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (15 children)
      Go back to KiA with this nonsense. You've done nothing in here but concern troll.
      [–][deleted]  (11 children)
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        [–]IrbyTremor[M] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (10 children)
        KiA. You are fucking brigading.
        EDIT: KiA this subreddit, its purpose and more has fuck all to do with Gamergate. Not a damned thing. We are bringing this thread to the admins' attention, also.
        [–]Spawnzer 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
        Isn't this sub private? where the fuck did this brigade come from?
        [–]HokesOne 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
        It's (unfortunately) not private. It's just got a total spam filter for everyone who isn't an approved submitter, and the only people on the approved list are mods of subs that cosigned the letter.
        If it was private we might have some genuine responses from the admins.
        [–]Spawnzer 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
        Oh so it means it just went private cuz it is right now, that explains it
        Thanks!
        [–]koronicus 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        Yeah, there was a vote brigade coming in, so it got locked down.
        [–]Spawnzer 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        Oh damn, looking at that yea that was def the right move
        Kia, conspiracy, coontown, SRSsucks, sjwHate
        I don't see any overlaps whatsoever between these subs
        [–]TheYellowRose[M] -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
        Hey come check out the brigade!
        [–]stufstuf 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        My mind boggles that at how they don't see the irony in what they're doing.
        [–]Shmaesh -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Where did you circulate them?
        [–]Shmaesh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I'm also interested in an update around action.
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